• maegul (he/they)@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    So … can we like finally dismiss Google Chrome as the obviously awful idea it is and which should never have made it this far and remind all of the web devs married to it that they’re doing bad things and are the reason why we can’t have nice things?

    Hmmm … a web browser owned by a monopolistic advertising company … how could that possibly go wrong!!!

    XKCD Comic depicting a conversation between someone who send an essay in dot doc, MS Word format, and another trying to convince them to use open source alternatives.  The first person is abusively unconvinced, doesn't care about ensuring we have good software infrastructure and dismisses the open source advocate as smug and "probably autistic".  In the final pane, the first person runs to the open-source-advocate second person panicking about facebook taking over everyone's social lives and doing evil things with it, in response to which the second person simply plays their "world's tiniest open source violin" as a clear "i told you so gesture"

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    3 months ago

    I miss the “dont be evil” version of google. Its like, large amounts of money ruin everything

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      It’s not just large amounts of money. It’s chasing more and more money each quarter, and when it starts slowing down panic sets in and they start trying to find any and every possible avenue to keep profits up. It’s how we’ve ended up in subscription based hell and it’ll only get worse.

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    3 months ago

    I’m in the process of switching to firefox on all my devices.

    I’ve had enough of Google pushing features like this.

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    3 months ago

    Stop using Chrome, it is adware at this point. Use Firefox or if that’s too different, use Brave or Edge or a different chromium offshoot that isn’t going to support manifest v3.

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    I think some people overestimate how many will migrate to Firefox in the near future over this.

    • High switching cost compared to finding another extension (e.g. uBO Lite), even if the resulting experience is worse.
    • Just as many Firefox users like Firefox, lots of Chrome users enjoy what they have too. They don’t want to lose that.
    • The kind of tech-aware person who’d switch over this is much more likely to have seen the news months ago and taken action already.

    As fun as it is to imagine an Adpocalypse shocking the masses and pushing them to try out alternatives to big tech, it’s also way too optimistic, I feel.

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      Yeah, same with people here declaring the death of reddit, or Twitter, or any of these massive, mainstream services. People in bubbles (and Lemmy is definitely a bubble) always seem to underestimate how little everyone else cares or even knows about the things that are important to them. The service needs to be extremely bad in a user experience way, not an ethical way, for an extended period of time and there needs to be a big social movement where lots of people migrate to a direct and equivalent competitor within a short space of time. Most people will not do it on their own, they will wait until they see their peers doing it and only then can a migration start to snowball.

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        “Netflix will die when they ban account sharing!!” - Reddit/Lemmy/Techtubers

        Netflix actually went on to have a massive jump in revenue, because most normal people can’t be arsed to set up a Plex/Emby/Jellyfin server and buy a shitload of storage.

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        Yeah, I thought about mentioning that. But the comparison goes both ways. Less than 1% of Chrome users switching to Firefox could still mean an increase in Firefox users of over 10%, if I remember my numbers correctly. That’d be a sweet boost for most products.

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      I agree folks are overestimating how many will switch. but also maybe you’re underestimating too - a lot of browser installations are managed by the “family tech guy”. the father, mother, brother, sister, aunt or uncle who sets up everyone’s new laptops on Christmas and has the suggestions when you look for a new phone. we all know the type. a lot of us are the type.

      setting up granny’s laptop? I’ll install whatever browser lets me automatically block the most “1000th visitor!” banner ads and change the desktop icon to the old AOL icon because that’s all she knows the internet as. she doesn’t know of care about the browser options so it’s up to me. Chrome used to be fast and simple so it was the right choice. Firefox has caught up a fair bit on UX simplicity and speed and now offers better blocking and general security, so it just stole the crown for these installations imo. I trust it more to not let her mess the computer up, so even if I’m not using it as my main personal browser, it gets use here.

    • RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world
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      I can’t listen or look at this man anymore after seeing him scrape shit off his feet and eat it in front of a bunch of people. 🤢

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        He has went on record multiple times saying having sex with children (even within the family) or family pets is fine. Eating his foot gunk is the least of my issues with him.

        That said, when it comes to warning about software, he was pretty bang-on.

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          Post the link to him saying that having sex with children is okay

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            It’s pretty well-known at this point, I thought? Regardless:

            “The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, ‘prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia’ also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally–but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.”

            RMS on June 28th, 2003

            "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing. "

            RMS on June 5th, 2006

            "There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

            RMS on Jan 4th, 2013

            You can find these on Stallman’s blog, which I believe is Stallman.org iirc. Just go to the dates I provided.

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              I cannot find any of this on his blog, why didn’t you just link to his blog?

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                  You pasted the domain not an actual blog post link. And you’re the one making these claims about him on a forum, does it really surprise you when someone asks for the source? Sorry you had to google something.

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    There’s only 34 million uBlock Origin users on Chrome? So, billions are using Chrome without any ad-blockers? That’s crazy and unsafe

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      Most users are fucking idiots and will continue to raw-dog the internet while visiting the most malicious sites possible.

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          Yes. Unfortunately. “a virus? How did I get that? What’s an anti-virus? You must be wrong, I just do a little bit of web browsing and downloading music.” (this was in the windows xp days that I’m specifically flashing back to)

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      It’s not like they contracted some sort of terminal illness. Anyone can migrate whenever. It’s not hard.

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        My organization has blocked all browsers other than Edge and Chrome - and has also blocked all plugins except for UBlock. For security reasons, of course.

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      And I mean, there’s still time now. Switching browsers isn’t that bad. Export+import some bookmarks and adjust some settings, good to go.

      I think FF has been a good option for a while. But the second best time is now. I can totally get it if people didn’t want to switch until they had more of a concrete problem.

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      Wasn’t it revealed a while ago that Brave was just a big crypto scam?

      Also, it’s chromium so… You’re getting V3 eventually.

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        I have years using it and I have never been crypto scammed for it, about the V3 I truly don’t know apparently you will still be able to turn on some V2 extensions like ublock origin but I didn’t see the point of it if the browser include a good adblocker anyway.

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          Same. The adblocker in Brave is great, its been ages since I ditched uBo and I’ve still to see a single ad. Built-in adblockers are good, because Google has no power there. Firefox, instead, its still a thing exclusively because of uBO i.e., the work of an external, unpaid developer. The say uBO disappears, is the day FF dies. Mozilla is so busy wasting time and money on unrelated stuff and huge CEO paychechs that they have had no the time to add and inbuilt advlocker to FF, which instead has useless crap such as Pockets and an opt-out ad-measurement tool which nobody asked for.

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    3 months ago

    Is ublock origin still operable for YouTube? Could this be related?